Planet Ubuntu

Herman Bos: Play voicemail from Asterisk in Evolution

2008-07-24T09:26:41+00:00

Today I found this wonderfully useful feature in the Evolution version shipped with Hardy. Saves me some extra steps! Thanks to whoever made that possible!

Justin Dugger: George Carlin's rolling in his grave

2008-07-24T09:04:31+00:00

Wikipedia offers the following definition of etiquette (emphasis mine):

Etiquette, one aspect of decorum, is a code that governs the expectations of social behavior, according to the contemporary conventional norm within a society, social class, or group. Usually unwritten, it may be codified in written form.

The Ubuntu Code of Conduct is our etiquette, codified in written form; it is also universal. It covers:

"behaviour as a member of the Ubuntu Community, in any forum, mailing list, wiki, web site, IRC channel, install-fest, public meeting or private correspondence"

Written in the affirmative, it offers several adjectives relevant to how Ubuntu development should be done. This universality means making rules and interpretations for Planet Ubuntu based on the CoC might reasonably apply elsewhere. Jono Bacon, member of the Ubuntu Community Council and Canonical's appointed Ubuntu Community Manager once stated he felt excited to work at a place where he didn't have to turn off who he was during work hours or separate what he liked from what he did, and we may shortly discover how Jono feels about diminishing that. Despite the clear wording of universality, Fabián Rodríguez has suggested that the Planet needs more formalized rules than the ones inherited from Debian (English only and "don't be annoying") and the CoC. His position appears to be that including objectionable words and phrases, and objectionable ideas are not respectful, and therefore violate the CoC. I respectfully disagree.

Fabián Rodríguez writes:

I don’t expect anyone to change their “WTF” and “STFU” attitude, just leave it outside this project. Setting up a category to carry only Planet Ubuntu posts may help.

And clarifies in a comment:

Although I am brining up the CoC because we have one, I think it is such common sense I am a bit surprised I even got comments on IRC asking what is wrong with WTF’ing here and there or A**holing now and then. Nothing really. But take it elsewhere. And I’ll gladly meet you there, but it won’t be under my @ubuntu.com hat.

It should be obvious that sending harassing, demeaning or confrontational email to Ubuntu or Debian or any other developers isn't suddenly okay if you didn't use @ubuntu.com as the From address. Similarly, it shouldn't matter whether you tag a post with "ubuntu"; if you act or write from a position within the community, and the audience associates you with Ubuntu, you should follow the guidelines as an ambassador of Ubuntu to the larger Linux community, or at least make a note that you are not acting or writing as a member of the Ubuntu community in cases where it might not be clear. At any rate, if you are an Ubuntu Member, then, you should be worried when someone tries to redefine the Conduct you agreed to follow.

The logical conclusion of Fabián's position is that to be respectful nothing that sets off anyone's triggers may pass through Planet Ubuntu's gates. This is a dangerous place to be: one can think of dozens actions that might be considered offensive to some. As Jordan Mantha eloquently put it:

trying to legislate morality is both undesirable and incredibly difficult for the Community Council to do. They are trying to represent a community made up of people from nations and cultures all over the world, and it’s essentially impossible to satisfy both the moral sensibilities and personal liberties of everybody at the same time. I’m also fairly sure it is neither their right nor their charter to tell people what is and is not offensive.

There exist a number of social, religious and political taboos that various cultures may find offensive. It feels weird being an American (land of assimilation) calling a Canadian (home of multiculturalism) on this. If Ubuntu, "Linux for human beings," demands that writing obey one viewpoint, it potentially offends another one as censorship. For example, most of us may see a Tibetan language translation of Ubuntu as progress in bringing Free Software to people who need it, but to a few the act may suggest an anti-China political statement, akin to adding a Confederate flag to the distribution. The Code of Conduct is fortunate to say nothing about such dry powderkegs. As long as we can hold beliefs, disagree and still obey they Code of Conduct's demands for consideration, respect, collaboration, and consultation, there should be room in Ubuntu for all of us.

Chilling effects

Attitude is one thing; I think RTFM or STFU are rarely productive statements. But what's appeared goes far beyond that. Fabián prefers that people who don't agree with his flexible interpretation of "respect" go away. I know at least one guy who does. He still contributes to the development of Ubuntu, but what he has to say is less often heard because despite his reputation, he's quite willing to implicitly comply with the infantilization of the Planet and rarely tags posts our way. It's fortunate that it's easy to include individual RSS feeds in Liferea directly, but if I don't know there's an amount of self censorship going on first, I simply lose that insight, no matter how germane it is to Ubuntu, Free Software or the communities that surround them.

But even if we were to agree that some topics are a bridge too far, specific words and phrases found offensive by some have no clear relation with respect, and already are within contemporary conventional norms when used in moderation. In fact, this entire enlightened discussion would have come across as condescending rather than conversational if the language were to be sanitized; by using that language the author communicates that the audience is a peer, which is central to the point. Self-censored writing feels inauthentic. In that thread, the author comments:

I haven't been particularly active in the Ubuntu community (my first introduction to the open source world), largely because everyone is so damned polite all the time, and as a result the discussions seem fairly dry and limited to technical topics.

This is a disappointing failure to integrate, especially since Rhythmbox needs a lot of lovin', and I'd be happy to see Ubuntu play a foundational role in making that happen.

Doing something constructive about it

One thing that can be done is to offer editorial advice ahead of publication. I've often wished to have a few trustworthy people preview my work on this blog and offer suggestions the way kuro5hin does before going public with a writing. It's a bit sad that the advent of blogging software led to the downfall of community driven writing like k5. Stephan's writing comes across as a bit... "stream of thought," and perhaps a round of editorial review can create something more effective at communicating his ideas and getting people to agree with him. I suspect such offers will be treated as censorship, though a good editor offers only advice, not orders.

Since people are seeking, among other remedies, the removal of Stephan's blog from the Planet, I thought I'd do them a favor. As far as I can tell, the current Planet software doesn't implement filtering (the Venus branch might, but will it support queries?), but the entire Planet software is easy to duplicate, and it's output is easy to manipulate. Here's what the Planet looks like without Stephan Hermann. And for comparison, without Fabián's blog. You can find the construction of this relatively simple construction here. If that doesn't float your boat, I've also constructed a simple dirty words filter. Feel free to customize, the defaults come from the expert on the subject. I've also considered running an alternative, unofficial planet similar to Dave Airlied's, but I'm not sure it's possible without coming across as arrogant or causing hurt feelings.

Finally, the Community Council has this topic on their agenda, and if it doesn't get tabled for lack of time, will be heard at the next meeting. If you can't attend, there are logs available for all such meetings on irclogs.ubuntu.com. In the spirit of being collaborative, it seems relevant to invite Emma Hogbin's opinion, as it seems the language of her lecture that started the mess Fabián and Stephan find themselves in now. As an invited speaker to the now canceled Ubuntu Live! event, decisions rendered would clearly affect her future participation with the Ubuntu community.

If you take one thing away from this essay let it be this: Booting members from the project is in no way, shape, or form "collaborative", and should be taken only when all reasonable measures have failed.

Emanuele Gentili: Security: BIND9 exploit is out. please check your DNS!

2008-07-24T03:16:20+00:00

I am pleased (?) to annunce that BIND9 exploit is out (CVE-2008-1447).

This exploit targets a fairly ubiquitous flaw in DNS implementations which allow the insertion of malicious DNS records into the cache of the target nameserver.
This exploit caches a single malicious host entry into the target nameserver.
By causing the target nameserver to query for random hostnames at the target domain, the attacker can spoof a response to the target server including an answer for the query, an authority server record, and an additional record for that server, causing target nameserver to insert the additional record into the cache.

This issue was fixed in ubuntu via USN-622-1 but more ISP are now vulnerable.

What to do?

First of all check your DNS on www.doxpara.com (right menu)

If your DNS are vulnerable I suggest to switch on Open DNS for fix this security issue.

emgent@amnistia:~$ sudo su root
[sudo] password for emgent:
root@amnistia:/home/emgent# echo “nameserver 208.67.222.222” > /etc/resolv.conf
root@amnistia:/home/emgent# echo “nameserver 208.67.220.220” >> /etc/resolv.conf
root@amnistia:/home/emgent# exit
exit
emgent@amnistia:~$

Background on #ubuntu-quality:
[SNIP]
(04:36) ( emgent) hello
(04:37) ( LaserJock) hi emgent
(04:37) ( emgent) I’m plased to annunce that BIND9 exploit is now pubblic.
(04:37) ( emgent) s/plased/pleased/
(04:38) ( persia) It the solution also public, and distributed?
(04:38) ( emgent) sure. fixed some week ago in ubuntu.
(04:38) * LaserJock wonders if he should clap or not
(04:39) ( emgent) but more ISP are vulnerale now..
(04:40) ( emgent) persia: you can check your dns on http://www.doxpara.com/ (right menu)
(04:42) ( emgent) s/vulnerale/vulnerable/
(04:44) ( Hobbsee) oh good! telstra isn’t.
(04:45) ( emgent) nice, Telecom Italia now is vuln.
(04:45) ( persia) NTT is vulnerable, but that is bot unsurprising and unlikely to cause issues.
(04:45) ( emgent) I use Open DNS
(04:47) ( LaserJock) mine is vulnerable it says
(04:47) ( emgent) switch to open dns
(04:49) ( emgent) exploit was pubblished some hours ago.. and there is a big problem.. now all people can hack vuln DNS and redirect google.com to sarcazzo.com for example.
(04:50) ( emgent) i go to write a post in planet.
(04:50) ( LaserJock) interesting
[SNIP]

happy defending!

Daniel Stone: some metrics

2008-07-24T00:19:25+00:00

Make of them what you will.

daniels@psyence:~/x/xorg/xserver% wc -l **/*.[ch] | tail -1 730420 total daniels@psyence:~/x/xorg/xserver% git diff -p xorg-server-0_99_1.. | diffstat | tail -1 2747 files changed, 178062 insertions(+), 628051 deletions(-) daniels@psyence:~/x/xorg/xserver% echo $((628051-178062)) 449989

Greg Grossmeier: Global Bug Jam, Its going down!

Greg — 2008-07-23T22:51:19+00:00

It’s coming up, the Global Bug Jam. Are you ready?

Have no fear, your friendly Michigan LoCo team will be hosting a GBJ event in Southeast Michigan where you can come learn the trade of triaging and have a great time doing so. I know from experience that their Bug Jams are great events. They even filled a room at Penguicon on the topic thanks to Wolfger.

Come one, come all to the Global Bug Jam, no experience required, only a desire to have fun and contribute.

The Important Information:

Where: Clinton Macomb Public Library (map)
When: 1pm to 6pm on Saturday August 9th
Who: The Michigan LoCo Team and You!

(See THIS PAGE for the latest information)

Ubuntu Screencasts: Mixing A Podcast In Ardour - Part 3

2008-07-23T21:11:09+00:00

The third of a 13-part series created by Tony Whitmore detailing how to mix a podcast in Ardour on Ubuntu. It was created initially so that members of the Ubuntu UK LoCo team could take part in the Ubuntu UK Podcast. However it was decided to release them because they may be useful to other podcasters, or those wishing to learn more about mixing in Ardour.

In part 3

Podcast running order
Aligning multiple tracks
Fading music down and up with the "draw gain automation" tool

Note: This screencast was originally recorded at a resolution of 2560 by 1024, so is in a very wide screen format. If you have a small screen we recommend you view the lower resolution versions of the video.

Duration 8m33s.

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Launchpad News: Launchpad offline 22.00 - 23.00 UTC 23rd July 2008

2008-07-23T20:24:17+00:00

We’re rolling out an update to Launchpad at 22.00 UTC today (23rd July). Launchpad will be offline for a few minutes, however we’re allowing a one hour window.

This down-time is part of our roll-out of Launchpad 2.0 release.

Offline at: 22.00 UTC 23rd July
Expected back before: 23.00 UTC 23rd July

Mathias Gug: Server Team 20080722 meeting minutes

Mathias Gug — 2008-07-23T18:06:53+00:00

Here are the minutes of the meeting. They can also be found online
with the irc logs here.

Add ’status’ action to server init scripts

kirkland generated a list of init scripts that could have a status action added to them. The wiki page also outlines how to add a status action and file a bug in LP to ask for inclusion in the relevant package.

Anyone interested in helping out should head to the wiki page.

Clamav and spamassassin in main

ScottK reminded that there are a couple of MIRs that still need to be written before clamav and spamassassin can be included into main. The wiki page tracks all the remaining packages that should have a MIR written for. ScottK can be contacted to get an initial review of the MIR. ivoks and sommer volunteered to write some of the MIRs.

Rapache presentation and discussion

tacone gave an overview of the rapache project emgent and him started after UDS. Rapache is an Apache configurator gui. The goal is to lower the entry barrier for former windows system administrators used to configure IIS with a GUI.

Review ServerGuide for Intrepid

sommer reported that he almost finished a new section about Kerberos. He also asked for a review of the Samba section.

Ubuntu VM builder

soren is still working on the rewrite in python of ubuntu-vm-builder. He is currently adding Xen support. mathiaz asked if there was some documentation available. soren said there wasn’t any - any help in this area is welcomed.

ACTION: soren to write a short README file to help people get started with the new ubuntu-vm-builder.

Migrate openldap configuration to cn=config

mathiaz spent most of his time last week on implementing cn=config support to the openldap package. Both new installs and upgrades are supported. He sent a patch to the Debian maintainers and is waiting for their feedback.

He also plans to look into FreeIPA once the cn=config migration is completed.

Boot Support for Degraded RAID

kirkland has some working code in his ppa. More testing of the mdadm package is welcome.

ACTION: kirkland to update the wiki page BootDegradedRaid with some testing instructions.

RAILS integration

macd reported that mod_rails has been packaged and uploaded to REVU. mathiaz reviewed it and sent his feedback to Neil (the packager). Overall it looks good.

macd also mentioned the discussions he’s having with the Debian maintainers for ruby/rubygems that is taking place in bug 145267. There was some discussion about the issue which boils down to a PATH issue. The debian gems and the source installed gems don’t end up in the same place. Rails apps looks in a specific place and rails isn’t capable of looking in more than one place. soren, macd and persia discussed the path issue and deferred it to #ubuntu-server after the meeting.

Migrate new installs and upgrades of client and server packages to use SSL v3 or TLS

ivoks prepared patches for a couple of packages to disable sslv2 in their configuration. He also sent an email on ubuntu-devel about disabling sslv2 directly in the openssl package. Discussion is ongoing, with a proposal to create an openssl-sslv2 package in universe that would be built with sslv2 enabled.

ACTION: ivoks to prepare a patch for the openssl package to disable sslv2.

Agree on next meeting date and time

Next meeting will be on Tuesday, July 29th at 15:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting.

Sebastian Kügler

2008-07-23T17:26:43+00:00

Mahyuddin Susanto: Ubuntu Classroom #1 at Engineering Faculty

2008-07-23T17:24:11+00:00

Saturday 19th, 7pm at Engineering Faculty Jember universty we made basic training about ubuntu. we made class in the night because many student have another class in the morning. in this clas we have 2 mentors, me and Ashadebi (from Debian Indonesia).

We studied dual boot installation and make connection to repositories server. This class sponsored by Jerux (Jember Linux) and Engineering faculty. many students at engineering faculty have gigantic spirit to sudiying linux speciallu Ubuntu and Debian :D.

Next meeting in engineering faculty at 27th July 2008 at 7pm and will dicussing about installation and basic terminal

hey look’s at the picture! he is ashadebi

we have 15 participant at here.

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Søren Bredlund Caspersen: Hello planet Ubuntu

2008-07-23T16:34:33+00:00

If I have set up everything right this should be my first post to the planet.

I got my Ubuntu membership yesterday from the EMEA membership board. Approval process went smooth (tip to other hopeful applicants - links to pictures seem to be a hit, especially if most of your other documentation is in a non-English language). A big thanks goes to Martin and Søren for supporting my membership.

After the irc approval was over and done with I went for a few beers with (among others) my good friend Søren - not really to celebrate, but just because it is the holidays and we have these days off.

I wish I could end this blog post with a promise of all the Ubuntu specific stuff I’m going to do over the next couple of days, but unfortunately I think my school work comes first right now - or at least that is what I tell myself.

Nicolas Valcárcel: RE: repurposing Planet Ubuntu

2008-07-23T15:01:32+00:00

Ok, there has been a lot of noise (again) about what should be in ubuntu planet, last time i wasn’t a member so i didn’t comment on the topic, but being that now i am here are my thoughts on the topic:

Planet ubuntu is and should be a window to the community: Some people read planet to be up to date on the technical news, but that’s what changelog stands for, and planet ubuntu (or our blogs) aren’t actually changelogs. So the idea of limiting the what should be posted or not doesn’t seem really fair to me
Ubuntu member represent the ubuntu community: All of us, being part of this community, an being officially recognized as members of it, gives us the representation of this community and for the people we are not just a lot of single people, we are the ubuntu community as a whole, so everything you said is taken as if it comes from the community especially if it is on one of the community’s communication channel, like mailing lists or planet. So we need to thing 3 times after post something on them since it won’t be treated as our own and personal opinion, but as the community one.
Respects saved Respects: Before doing something it will be a good idea to think “If someone do this to me, would i like it?” If not, please don’t, everyone of us have different opinions on different topic, but it doesn’t give us the right to challenge people and be unrespectful. And said that you can say whatever you want, just need to find the right way to do it and express your opinion, is better to say “i don’t think so, i think is better like this” than saying “What were you thinking? that’s wrong!”

I don’t want to create more discussion on it, i think planet ubuntu is fine as it is now, and nothing need to be changed but the attitude of ourselves.

Jorge Castro: Put your head down and skate!

jorge castro — 2008-07-23T14:31:28+00:00

Enough of this noise. Next time someone on planet offends you, go work on something:

Ubuntu-QA
Leonov
5-a-day
Harvest

Andre Noel: Repurposing Planet

2008-07-23T12:21:34+00:00

I agree with “repurposing Planet” post of Jordan Mantha. I saw once a post suggesting to create the Universe Ubuntu, where all topics would be placed.

I’m not writing too much on my English blog, but I’ll follow what Jordan said. I’ll correct the tags of my posts and keep on Planet Ubuntu only the posts tagged as ubuntu.

Ubuntu Screencasts: Mixing A Podcast In Ardour - Part 2

2008-07-23T09:48:23+00:00

The second of a 13-part series created by Tony Whitmore detailing how to mix a podcast in Ardour on Ubuntu. It was created initially so that members of the Ubuntu UK LoCo team could take part in the Ubuntu UK Podcast. However it was decided to release them because they may be useful to other podcasters, or those wishing to learn more about mixing in Ardour.

In part 2

Some tips regarding jack and realtime kernels
Sessions in Ardour
Adding tracks
Add audio files to tracks

Duration 8m20s.

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Jordan Mantha: repurposing Planet

Jordan — 2008-07-23T07:07:37+00:00

OK, so I previously wrote that perhaps we should reevaluate the stated mission of Planet Ubuntu, which is currently:

Planet Ubuntu is a window into the world, work and lives of Ubuntu developers and contributors.

The point being that we’ve now got so many blogs being aggregated as well as quite a diversity of opinions and sensibilities towards what is appropriate content, that maybe we should reduce the scope to posts pertaining (at least somewhat) to Ubuntu. I’ve seen quite a few “I read Planet Ubuntu to learn about Ubuntu, not …” comments. The other approach to dealing with “offensive” posts is to make a claim of Code of Conduct violation and take the offending party to the Community Council. Here’s a couple reasons why I think these two approaches fail:

limiting the scope of Planet Ubuntu doesn’t guarantee unoffensive behavior. It is true that most offensive posts are nontechnical and not about Ubuntu specifically, but it’s certainly not all of them.
limiting the scope of Planet Ubuntu takes away a certain amount of the “humanness” of the community. Ubuntu is not only “Linux for human beings”, it is also developed by human beings.
trying to legislate morality is both undesirable and incredibly difficult for the Community Council to do. They are trying to represent a community made up of people from nations and cultures all over the world, and it’s essentially impossible to satisfy both the moral sensibilities and personal liberties of everybody at the same time. I’m also fairly sure it is neither their right nor their charter to tell people what is and is not offensive.

OK, so what do we do? Is the status quo healthy and desirable? Well, I personally don’t think so. Obviously some people are getting offended (rightly or wrongly), other people don’t like being censored (rightly or wrongly), and still other people just want to read about Ubuntu and be informed about what’s going on.

On further thought about what the root cause of the current discontent may be I’ve come up with two possible reasons, IMO:

the repurposing [yes, I took that long to explain the title] of Planet Ubuntu into a news delivery medium. Planet Ubuntu is currently a mixture of Ubuntu news, announcements, activity, reports, team blogs, personal happenings and opinion pieces. I know if I want to let everybody know about something, I put it on Planet. Reader expectations play heavily into whether a post is deemed “appropriate” and what you would say in a newspaper article is generally going to be quite different from what you’re going to say friend after work over a drink.
the non-technical nature of Planet Ubuntu. More than most planets around the open source world, Planet Ubuntu is fairly non-technical. This is a reflection of the fact that it’s not an aggregator of Ubuntu developers, but of Ubuntu Members, many of whom contribute to Ubuntu by way of support (LoCo teams, IRC support, forums) or other “non-technical” avenues.

So, a couple of conclusions I’ve come to:

The Community Council will not solve our problem
We should try to separate “news” from the “window into the world, work and lives of Ubuntu developers and contributors” by pushing for an easy to use and effective Fridge. Fridge should be our primary web news outlet, not Planet. I think the result would be a shifting of reader expectations back towards the original purpose of Planet Ubuntu.
There will always be offensive (to somebody at least) posts on Planet occasionally, but as long as people aren’t publishing illegal or other clearly unacceptable content (which the Community Council has already ruled on) we should favor freedom of expression. I believe we can do this because the expectation of the reader should be that of peaking into Ubuntu Member lives, warts and all.
That same freedom of expression should allow people to respond critically to offensive posts. Open and respectful communication is going to win out over rules, censorship, and governance pretty much every time. We’re all friends here, we can tell each other when we mess up

Anyway, not sure if this will be helpful for anybody or accomplish anything, but I at least feel good having said it

Jerome S. Gotangco: Ubuntu Love Day Manila 2008

2008-07-23T05:43:10+00:00

Me and some friends are currently organizing an event for Ubuntu enthusiasts in Manila, called Ubuntu Love Day Manila, tentatively scheduled on the 23rd of August. The venue is still for confirmation, but we plan it to be at the University of the Philippines campus in Diliman, Quezon City. We plan this to be a half-day [...]

Jordan Mantha: random bits

Jordan — 2008-07-23T05:16:02+00:00

OK, so rather than my usually long and boring posts I’m going to try to do some smaller/quicker posts just so I can get some thoughts out without it turning into some boring epic that nobody wants to read

the latest discussion about appropriateness of Planet Ubuntu posts - even though Stephan can’t seem to stay out of trouble I really feel that the problem is with this one little sentence: “Planet Ubuntu is a window into the world, work and lives of Ubuntu developers and contributors.” I think we’ve perhaps grown too large to not limit aggregation to Ubuntu-related posts. [Edit: After some further thought I think I might change my position a bit. I'll give more info in a follow-up post]
upcoming Ubuntu QA team meeting - tomorrow (23rd) at 17:00UTC we’ll be having a meeting in #ubuntu-meeting. There’s a few agenda items that people might be interested in so if you’d like to contribute feel free to drop by.
hiking this weekend - my wife and I hiked Mt. Rose this weekend with some friends from church. Total the hike was ~10.6 miles (17 km) and had a ~1,900 ft. (579 m) elevation gain. We started at 8,900 ft. (2710 m) and it took us 7 hrs to hike to the summit, eat a quick lunch, and get back to the trailhead. You skinny hiking fanatics might not be impressed, but it was the longest/hardest hike I’ve done.
related to the previous item, anybody have a good suggestion on a place to put pics of my hike and other events? I’ve heard both good and bad things about Picasa and Flickr, what would you suggest? I’m looking for a pretty easy, simple, storage and sharing site.

Nick Ali: Ubuntu LoCo Approvals: Lithuania, Tunisia, and Japan

2008-07-23T04:24:47+00:00

Congratulations to members of our newly approved LoCos: Lithuania and Tunisia!

The Japanese Team continues doing excellent work as it passed its yearly review with flying colors!

Miia Ranta: LRL 2008 UK musings

2008-07-23T01:41:11+00:00

As said on the previous post, I attended LUGradio Live last weekend. I’m still very, very, VERY tired, flying isn’t exactly an enjoyable experience ever, and this time the return flights were delayed because of bad weather conditions in Amsterdam.

Anyway, I left home on Friday around 0100 in the morning. The first flight to Amsterdam left at 0615 local time and I was in Wolverhampton about 13 hours from leaving home. I’ve never been to England if you don’t count the two times at Stanstead Airport on my way to and from GUADEC’06 in Spain, so it was really fun to take a train to Wolverhampton from Birmingham International - seeing some scenery on the way with English houses, canals and red brick buildings! (Yes, one has to take the most of everything!) I was lucky enough to have someone guide me around the whole weekend, and I guess Mez really thought I was insane oohing and aahing about the scenery - yes, it can amaze someone who has seen double decker buses and attached house rows and canals and such since age 3 watching Postman Pat on telly but never actually seeing them!

Anyway, after checking into Hotel Britannia it was time to head out for the preconference drinks. Finally a chance to meet so many people I’ve not met before! It was also time to dispense some of the “Greetings from Finland” gifts I had brought with me, so for example ompaul got one of the cloudberry liqueur bottles to spice up ice cream with. The time flied and I remember giving out my business cards, crocheting and walking back to the hotel…

To wake up to ompaul’s SMS “Goin 4 breakfast” with a mild headache wasn’t fun. Then again, him telling a joke that he doesn’t use emacs because he doesn’t lisp was excellent :-P <emacsfangirl />

To wrap up both days talks with a few words:

I loved emmajane’s talk. All of the stuff in her speech was exactly as I think too.
OpenKnowledge is a thing that should be encouraged more - I should know, having been Wikipedia activist for years
Now I understand why Wubi might be such a problem - we really need a better way to clear out the dirty flag from ntfs with Linux
History of Samba is somewhat amusing
I guess I *should* go to Assembly this year
Respect to mjg59, AGAIN
When shall I have time and energy to start cycling again and to log the routes to OpenStreetMap?
Oooh, ooh, I’m on the top ten contributors of Terminator!

Meeting the people behind the voices of LUGradio was cool. Chinny Raccoon was kyuuuut. Crocheted a lot since had no wifi. Bought stuff from O’Reilly desk again (Learning Python and Craft: Fashioning Technology), drank way too much coffee to stay awake, enjoyed the little karaoke I listened to before heading to sleep, and am considering ordering Linux Magazine again.

not related to the conference itself:

Black pudding at hotel breakfast table tasted more like blood pancakes than mustamakkara
Had my first curry and first fish and chips
Will not drink Strongbow for a while, it got boring after a while
OMG things is so cheap in UK! example01 vs. comparison01, example02 vs. comparison02
OMG the variety of food in restaurants and shops! Vegetarian and organic choices everywhere!

hmhm. I want to move to England. I’ve fallen in love with something there :-)

Jorge Castro: Reminder ... OLF CFP

jorge castro — 2008-07-23T00:43:55+00:00

The Call for Papers for Ohio LinuxFest are due on August 15th! Get applying!

Martin Meredith: LugRadio Live - The Review

2008-07-22T23:34:37+00:00

So, this weekend just gone was the weekend of LugRadio Live. Here’s how it went for me. Friday morning, I got up, finished packing my stuff into my suitcase and headed off to the airport to go and pick up Myrtti. After missing a couple of buses, eventually got there, just in time to meet her as she was coming out of Arrivals.

We then headed off to Wolverhampton, with Myrtti being amazed by English houses (don’t ask me - I don’t know either) arriving in Wolverhampton 20 minutes before we could check into the hotel. So we went for food. Well, actually, I went for food, and Myrtti came with me. Moon Under Water has nice food, as do most Wetherspoons.

Anyway, from there on, Myrtti and I went and checked into the hotel, and then had a bit of a chat (and checked on the CaveyCam) while waiting for the evening events to kick off.

The evening events… god. well… I don’t remember a lot of it. I remember coming in, sitting down, and sitting down with Daviey, ompaul, and a couple of other people (I can’t remember who!) and well - the night went on from there.

Left the Evening Events @ around midnight, and walked back with ompaul and Myrtti to the hotel. Couldn’t sleep, as there was a dry-riser next to my room, so at 4am, I gave up, and registered on flickr, uploading the photos from the night that I’d taken.

Then, at 6am, I went hunting for breakfast, had a little walk round Wolverhampton, and found that Spar had food, so bought a couple of sausage sandwiches from there (and a couple of cans of Relentless). Went back to the hotel room, answered the wake up call, and headed to the venue just before 7.

I was the second person there after Chris (Proctor) - am proud of that, and spent the morning setting up all those lovely banners that you people saw (and chasing after some that had gone missing).

Did anyone notice that the can of relentless I’d thrown in the bin had been used to help stick up the Main Stage schedule poster? No? Good… twas amusing though.

Thanks to Mrs Ron for providing the Bacon Sarnies though

Anyways, sat down and started to film the intro, then moved onto the first talk in the Atrium (I signed up for the morning sessions on crew - why oh why?). I had to try and keep myself from falling asleep due to no sleep in the first one, but towards the end, the caffeine kicked in, and I started to wake up.

Next up was Bruuuuunnoooooo’s talk… it was “tres amusant” … I enjoyed watching it, and am glad that the audio isn’t coming from the camera, or all you’d have heard was my laughing.

After that, It was lunch. Woo. Headed off to the Moon Under Water for what was meant to be an SBLUG gathering, but, couldn’t find them in the packed pub, so ended up sitting with Barbie and JJ and chatting to them while we had food.

Came back and scoped out the Exhibitors for a bit (and yes, played some TF2) before going to watch the gong-a-thong… mrben… raccoon pants… I won’t say anymore, or my mind will explode. Though I must say, I did love Matthew Garrett’s talk on how he hates the community.

After that, I went back and gamed for a bit, before heading to the Live and Unleashed recording. Found Myrtti again there, and gave her a bit of a shoulder rub while watching it (and laughing my ass off too!)

So. There brought an end to Day 1… except, it wasn’t over. By this time, I was feeling pretty crap… no sleep. So went and packed up, then headed back to the hotel, slept for a bit, then headed to Karaoke.

I didn’t stay long, and was on the soft drinks all night, but managed to fit in a rendition of “Summer Nights” - I do a mean Olivia Newton John. I’m kind of dissapointed that the guy I was singing it with (my Ex Boss) didn’t know the words, but I’ve had a promise from froodie that next year she’ll do the John Travolta, and I can do the Olivia Newton John. Speaking of froodie - great rendition of “Sweet Child O’ Mine” - I was singing along in the back of the venue (and drawing funny looks by air-drumming/air-guitaring)

Sunday morning. I was still tired, but due to exhaustion - I’d actually managed to sleep. Though - I think the fact that the following comment was made in IRC means that I didn’t look as fresh-faced as I’d have like to believe I was.

<+ompaul> Mez, on sunday you looked like someone had eaten enough of your brain not to kill you but to stop you from understanding there was sunday

So yeah. Once again, set up at a ridiculously early time (this time 8am though) - I managed to be one of the people on the Coffee Run to Starbucks, so that worked well for me. I didn’t have to do much.

Started off the morning upstairs in the Lightning talk room, watching Barbies talk (and getting told off for raising my hand to answer his questions). Was still a good talk the second time round. And some of the stuff I forgot the first time, I’ve now seen again. I must apologise to Barbie for laughing to myself towards the end of the talk though. When you have a crew radio on, and you can hear Jono telling everyone he’s in the toilet with a speaker, you can’t help but laugh (I so wish that the LCD display in the atrium was something we could send messages to - I would have sent “FlashHug Jono now - he’s in the loo!”)

Next was Agostino Russo’s talk about Wubi - which was quite interesting. I’ve not actually used wubi myself, but to see it working in situ, and to hear about the geekyness behind it was actually quite cool.

Lunchtime again, where I spent outside eating sandwhiches and munch provided by MrsRon again, before I came back in, scoped the exhibitors again, and generally mingled talking with people until it was time for Chris Jones’ (Ng) talk about terminator.

Next was the goodbyes… Sad to see them go - but - they WILL be back next year! (YAY!). Sad to see the podcast end, but it was a good ending to a good weekend.

Then we packed up, and found out that the bar we’d arranged to goto afterwards… was closed…. FAIL. Got it sorted out in the end, and after food, ended up at the Novotel bar, where there were quite a few people. Twas good talking to people there, a nice friendly relaxed atmosphere, and a nicely stocked bar. I must say though - I don’t think I’ve laughed so much in a long time than I did with standing outside smoking with Xalior, Daviey and a few others (failhat!). Xalior is an extremely funny guy.

Anyways, from there, it was time to head home, after another night in the hotel, and taking Myrtti on a whirlwind tour of Birmingham’s Music Stores

To me, it’ll be a weekend to remember. There were a lot of firsts for me, and a lot of fun.

I must say though, thumbs up to Tony Whitmore and Ron Wellsted for doing an amazing job at organising everything this year. And to all the rest of the crew who made everything run so smoothly (and Tig for the trousers! and barely leaving the sound desk!)

Eric Lake: BGLUG / Ubuntu KY LoCo meetup

etank — 2008-07-22T23:17:07+00:00

The second evening/weekend meeting will be held on Saturday the 26th from 2-4pm at the Common Grounds Cafe. It should be a good time of caffeine and geekery. Parking is located behind the building off of Grand Blvd.

If you need directions then see this.

Greg Grossmeier: BugHugDay - This Thursday

Greg — 2008-07-22T22:06:34+00:00

This just came across the email, courtesy of Nick Ellery:
——-
This week’s Hug Day will be focusing on Apt! There are currently about
127 New bug reports regarding Apt and we will be focusing on reducing
that number in addition to looking at some outstanding Incomplete and
Confirmed bugs. We’ll do this by following up with reporters,
documenting test cases, and confirming bug reports. The event
will be held in #ubuntu-bugs on Freenode. The list of targeted bugs
and tasks is posted at:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080724

Our goal is to deal with all of the bugs on that list.

So on 24 July 2008, in all timezones, we’ll be meeting in #ubuntu-bugs
on irc.freenode.net for another Ubuntu Hug Day.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay
—–

So if you have some time and want to help out, come join us!

Jeff Waugh: inbox zero status: ZERO

jdub — 2008-07-22T21:47:06+00:00

After declaring inbox bankruptcy, changing the way I collect and manage my email, and tweeting a few times about my attempt to embrace the zen of Inbox Zero, I decided to automate the process, removing any potential editorialising between email client and reporting of the project status. I’ve set it up to post at 22:00 every night.

Here’s the script if anyone else wants to play (it also demonstrates how to post to twitter with wget, which may be handy for other automation projects):

#!/bin/sh
MB_POST="http://identi.ca/api/statuses/update.xml
  http://twitter.com/statuses/update.xml"

MB_USER=state your username
MB_PASS=state your password

IZ="$(find Maildir/cur/ Maildir/new/ -type f | wc -l)"
if [ $IZ -gt 0 ]; then
  IZ="$IZ"
else
  IZ="ZERO"
fi
IZ="inbox zero status: $IZ"

for MB_HTTP in $MB_POST; do
  wget -qO- --delete-after 
    --user="$MB_USER" --password="$MB_PASS" 
    --post-data "status=$IZ" $MB_HTTP > /dev/null
done

Update: Fixed script to use any Twitter-style microblog API, and included example URL from identi.ca. Go freedom!

Update: Even better, just post to all of them at once! Also fixed anchor… Despite switching to the visual editor weeks ago, I’m still not 100% used to the convenience of it.

Emanuele Gentili: Launchpad need Away system for developers

2008-07-22T21:21:14+00:00

Hello launchaders!

I am pleased to announce the opening Bug 250952 which provides the required integration of a Away system for developers in Launchpad!

I hope to see soon the new features.

Thanks for your support Barry Warsaw, and good work!

Greg Grossmeier: Announcing #fsf-members on Freenode

Greg — 2008-07-22T21:00:06+00:00

I know everyone reading this is thinking “you know, I sure would like to join some more IRC channels.” We’ll here’s your chance!

The Free Software Foundation has just registered the channel #fsf-members on Freenode. This channel is specifically for communication with other FSF associate members. So come on in and hang out! If you want to speak with a more general audience on FSF topics, #fsf is, and has been, available.

And as a teaser: if you are a FSF Associate Member, you can ask to get a FSF cloak on Freenode. Just send your member number and registered IRC nick to campaigns@fsf.org

Hope to see a bunch of the Ubuntu people there!

Ubuntu Screencasts: Mixing A Podcast In Ardour - Part 1

2008-07-22T20:29:55+00:00

The first of a 13-part series created by Tony Whitmore detailing how to mix a podcast in Ardour on Ubuntu. It was created initially so that members of the Ubuntu UK LoCo team could take part in the Ubuntu UK Podcast. However it was decided to release them because they may be useful to other podcasters, or those wishing to learn more about mixing in Ardour.

In part 1

A brief introduction to the applications used
Some tips on setting up the environment

Duration 5m06s.

Stream (requires flash player)
2560x1024 Flash
1280x512 Flash
640x256 Flash
(Video will play in a pop-up window)

Download
2560x1024 Ogg/Vorbis/Theora

Download
2560x1024 Flash Video
1280x512 Flash Video
640x256 Flash Video

This work is licensed under a
Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 License.

Elliot Murphy: MySQL, “what if”, and the drizzle project

2008-07-22T19:43:52+00:00

Looks like drizzle is announced now. I’ve spent a bit of time after work and on lunch breaks helping out here and there, and I’m excited about working on a database project again. Why am I working on the project? Average time from when I write a patch to when it goes into the tree has been measured in minutes, not in hours/days/weeks/months. Yes, I’m running the test suite first. Yes, I’m getting another person to review the code first. This is an example of how adding people to a project can slow it down, and how getting out of the way of the engineers can have amazing results. We set up bug tracker, code hosting, team organization, package build system, mailing list, IRC channel, and more in a matter of minutes, and it has been amazing to see how fast the code is coming in from all over the world. There was truly a pent-up demand for somewhere to be able to freely work on ideas.

If you haven’t read Ian’s paper about the community-agile process, you should. You can see many of the ideas there in how the drizzle project is run. There is lots of work to do, and I think it’s going to be great fun to see how far we can push drizzle. And the code is safely in a FLOSS distributed version control system that I have mirrors of, so nobody can put the code behind a corporate firewall and seal it off - it’s alive and growing and unstoppable. If anyone wants to mirror the code, that is fine and I’ll help you do it.

Sometimes people look at databases as boring, as a solved problem. I’m here to tell you that building interesting applications that have any kind of persistent state is not a solved problem, there are a lot more fantastic ideas to try, and some ideas that have only recently become practical. Check out the code and put up a branch with some ideas of your own!

We don’t have packages for ubuntu yet, but we will be putting up a PPA soon. As you can imagine, there is still a fair amount of work involved in finishing the renaming and making packages that don’t conflict with existing mysql installs.

Jonathan Jesse: Official Ubuntu Book 3rd Edition — Barnes and Noble edition

2008-07-22T18:54:49+00:00

Was at Barnes and Noble with my wife and I always check on the Linux computer book section to see what’s new there. The section is always surrounded/swamped by the Microsoft Press books, but found the Official Ubuntu Book 3rd edition, special Barnes and Noble edition.

As mentioned earlier this edition has an entire chapter dedicated to the Ubuntu Forums but also contains a Kubuntu 8.04 CD showing off KDE. Only disappointment is the Kubuntu version is not the KDE 4 version but the official KDE 3 version.

Go out and pick up the book today.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/The-Official-Ubuntu-Book/Benjamin-Mako-Hill/e/9780137151028

Steven Harms: Linux memory management

2008-07-22T18:50:32+00:00

I have a second blog in which I don’t go on any rants etc, just post technical stuff. I just posted a entry today on Linux memory management, especially with databases. One thing that was confusing to me originally is that, for instance, on an Oracle server, I have a free output like this:

total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 16027 15889 138 0 48 14673 -/+ buffers/cache: 1166 14860 Swap: 5122 486 4636

So there is like 15 gigs cached out of 16 gigs total. Obviously with 2 million oracle processes, it is hard to tell how much memory it is actually using, and I stumbled on the ‘ipcs’ command which lets me see those shared buffer sizes.

If you have a bit more insight into this and can proof read the blog post, that would be great to let me know if I made a mistake. Thanks!

Database Memory Management

Brian Murray: Searching for Debian Bugs

2008-07-22T15:50:03+00:00

While at the last FOSSCamp, I learned that the Debian bug tracking system has a SOAP interface for executing remote procedure calls. I thought it would be useful to use it to search for Debian bug reports related to Ubuntu bugs.

Subsequently, I’ve written a script, part of the ubuntu-qa-tools project, that allows you to do just that. For example, python debian-bug-search.py xserver-xorg-core "Bad valuators" will search the package xserver-xorg-core for bugs with the string “Bad valuators” in them. I find it much more convenient than opening a new tab in Firefox. Most importantly, it has helped me find a fair number of related bugs and add upstream bug tasks in Launchpad.

Jorge Bernal: eBox premieres new website

2008-07-22T11:41:02+00:00

Since I didn’t have any MySQL public courses planned this summer, I’ve been using my work time from the last week in the new eBox website.

I’m still far away from what I’d like, but I’m proud my design skills have improved considerably.

For those of you who still don’t know what it is, eBox is a server for the easy administration of corporate networks. eBox was included with the last release of Ubuntu. See eBox in Ubuntu

Tollef Fog Heen: Kernel patches and the TEMPer USB thermometer

2008-07-22T09:17:00+00:00

Today, I submitted my two first patches to the kernel. One is fairly trivial (remove a USB ID from the pl2303 driver), the other is a fixup of a patch from some other guy, which adds support for DTR, RTS and CTS to the ch341 driver. Yay, hopefully they'll get accepted.

The reason for this journey into kernel land is I got a TEMPer USB thermometer in the mail yesterday. After a fair bit of digging around, I found some source code to drive it from C# and Windows. I wanted to poke at it from Linux and C.

After more poking, I found it's an I2C device connected to the USB serial adapter, where you talk to it by twiddling DTR, RTS and CTS. The C# code was fairly easy to port, so now I can get temperature readings from the command line. The code is a quick hack, but I guess it might be interesting to some people. Oh, and the calibration seems entirely off (but it was off in Windows too), so feedback on whether it's more accurate for other people would be appreciated.

Quim Gil: Proposal: Desktop Search hackfest

qgil — 2008-07-22T08:57:57+00:00

Proposal: Desktop Search Hackfest.
Calling to: Xesam, Beagle, Tracker projects and whoever else is involved.
When: September 19 + the days the developers decide before & after.
Where: Berlin.
Why: The Board made a call to organize hackfest around events and the Maemo Summit has answered.
Budget: Funded by Nokia within reasonable terms.

But why?

Ok, let me explain. We have some budget to sponsor participants to the Maemo Summit . We want to find a balance between Maemo community contributors, related upstream developers and core developers of the Maemo SW team at Nokia. We think organizing a GNOME hackfest is a win-win.

Desktop search is an interesting area. Federico explained in GUADEC the problems of Oralia finding her stuff and there are many more things unsolved. It is becoming a critical area, considering that users are getting more volumes of data, more types of files and they have them spread through several devices and the Internet.

We also find interesting to support areas that are not seen as “mobile only”. There are many, and in fact mobile companies like Nokia are supporting the development of features and components that many people don’t even see as mobile related since they find them in their PCs and laptops. Desktop search affects everybody, even if it’s perhaps more demanding in mobile devices (less processing power, different form factors, probably different input methods, surely less patience from the user on-the-go —> higher chances to FAIL).

In the GNOME family this is a delicate topic: ask the Beagle, Tracker or Xesam hackers why. Yet there must be a possibility to find a common mission and specific objectives for a Hackfest. The first Desktop Search Hackfest ever? Each project can find also the time to meet and get some progress in their own areas. It is up to the developers to define the goals of the hackfest.

Maemo has some developers working on Tracker and they like the idea. It has been discussed briefly in the gnome-movile-devel list and at least Behdad and Vincent agree (in fact this was their idea, I was proposing a Tracker hackfest but the Desktop Search idea is cooler). We are looking for more opinions and support for a consensus.

The time runs fast and September is around the corner. Feedback welcome NOW!

PS: This proposal was sent yesterday to GNOME’s foundation-list. Reposting here since many related developers are not subscribed. See also the first replies in the thread. Tracker and Xesam seem to be on board and hopefully Beagle can be represented too!

PS2: Btw, since the people are spread in different projects, mailing lists, etc, it would be a good idea to set up a wiki page or similar for coordination. There is no lack of wikis around but in case of doubt just create this wiki page: http://wiki.maemo.org/Desktop_Search_Hackfest

Stephan Hermann: Dear Fabián, why don't you play "Blog Police" now and forever?

2008-07-22T07:11:40+00:00

Dear Fabián,

why don't you play blog police, and remove via bzr branch, bzr push planet.conf all feeds you dislike and you feel not ok with it?

Even those blogs, where you don't have a clue which is post and which is blog comment? (As seen on the second blog article you critizised,which is here, please read this, and see how you are framing people...[Jorge Bernal on Shop in Amazon from your iPhone with iBuy]).

Ah yes, you think that most people know about "WTF" "STFU" "WTH" "FU" "SU" and all those nasty abbreviations from the evil internet?

They don't and most people are using those abbreviation to not say those "evil words" (well, tbh, most people will know those words before they go to school, really, even if you pretend they don't)

And again, no CoC will remove my right and my will to say "WTF is going on here". That's what I really said yesterday, when someone pointed me to your agenda item to the next community council meeting.

Ah well, yes, you reminded me to point you again to the CoC, too:

Be respectful. The Ubuntu community and its members treat one another with respect. Everyone can make a valuable contribution to Ubuntu. We may not always agree, but disagreement is no excuse for poor behaviour and poor manners. We might all experience some frustration now and then, but we cannot allow that frustration to turn into a personal attack. It's important to remember that a community where people feel uncomfortable or threatened is not a productive one. We expect members of the Ubuntu community to be respectful when dealing with other contributors as well as with people outside the Ubuntu project, and with users of Ubuntu.

As I'm not dealing with "other people here" but express my feeling and my mood to a special topic, even this doesn't have anything to do with the CoC...

Fabián, you should really get a life...and get more knowledge...and no, I really don't care who you are or what you are doing.

But thx again for bringing this up again...ah btw..you wrote on the /Talk page: "I contacted both members via IRC and via their blogs comments, my attemps to discuss this were either ignored or dismissed."

You did contacted me and Jorge via blog comment, you tried to "frame" Koke because of someone commenting on his blog with "STFU"...you wrote something really stupid on my comment page, I answered you, you never came back..you never contacted me personally via IRC...so you are framing, lieing and spreading wrong accusations.

I really wonder why you don't have the guts to just remove the feeds from planet.ubuntu.com you dislike? I really do.

But again, I'm happy to meet you at the Community Council, and discuss this directly in front of a big audience...and if this means, Ubuntu will lose contributors and good people, you can be happy to destroy a working community, but this is what you want, right? You stated this already in your article. I hope you really don't treat your customers in Montreal like that.

But, what you really want is another policy to planet.ubuntu.com, if you want that, write it...if you want to p*ss people off from Ubuntu, you can go along with your style.

Honestly (without any monkey behaviour),

Stephan

PS: Thanks for making my start of the day really shitty..(oops I did it again)

Christer Edwards: A supported PGP passphrase agent is not running

2008-07-22T03:42:49+00:00

This post is published in the hope that it’ll help others solve an issue I’ve been dealing with for the past few weeks. I have searched and searched for a solution and only recently found one workaround for the problem. The bug that I have found is here. Hopefully with some more attention it’ll be properly fixed.

The issue that I have been running into is that no supported PGP passphrase agents were running. In other words I was not able to unlock my PGP keys for email signing and encryption. You will have noticed this problem if you use email signing and encryption with tools such as Enigmail, etc.

The solution that I found, which is also outlined within the bug, is to remove a file that is apparently being loaded when the X session starts. For some reason this file conflicts with the seahorse key caching system, and neither work.

To fix the issue simply move the conflicting file elsewhere:

sudo mv /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90gpg-agent ~/90gpg-agent.bak

Once this file is moved you should be able to restart X and have your key-caching functionality again. If anyone else has a better fix or other suggestions please comment.

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